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Crunchyroll Plugin For Kodi DMCA Takedown

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Posted 6/23/18 , edited 7/15/18
canceled subscription, i pay and now i cant watch where i want? Haha nice try Crunchy...
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Posted 6/23/18 , edited 7/15/18

aj2005uk wrote:

What most people here don't realise, the Kodi plugin is not official and the main thing that the DMCA takedown could be was, getting permission to make the plugin or even that the plugin broke ToS (which it did from day one) even if it used official account login.


people are upset not only because of the take down notice, but also because Crunchyroll did not offer an alternative official plug in.
for many people, the official video player is garbage and Kodi was a workaround solution to a badly written video player that doesnt even support html 5 in 2018. no, not everyone can or want to use VRV.
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Posted 6/23/18 , edited 7/15/18
This is terrible. I've been redoing my mediacentre setup only to find out that the pugin has been taken down. Meanwhile, the website still uses a flash video player... It's 2018...
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Posted 6/23/18 , edited 7/15/18
Wow thats pretty upsetting to hear, I used this app almost daily for years. Thank you Yoshiofthewie for maintaining it for as long as you did. If there is anything I can do to repay you feel free to reach out via email.

I am canceling my paid subscription after I submit this.

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Posted 6/23/18 , edited 6/28/18

namealreadytaken wrote:

People are upset not only because of the take down notice, but also because Crunchyroll did not offer an alternative official plug in.
for many people, the official video player is garbage and Kodi was a workaround solution to a badly written video player that doesnt even support html 5 in 2018. no, not everyone can or want to use VRV.


I swear Crunchyroll is updating this website to HTTPS (and updating the flash player to HTML5 by the way) since the end of this month, or else Google Chrome 68 Web browser will block it.
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Posted 7/4/18 , edited 7/4/18

Maaaash32 wrote:


namealreadytaken wrote:

People are upset not only because of the take down notice, but also because Crunchyroll did not offer an alternative official plug in.
for many people, the official video player is garbage and Kodi was a workaround solution to a badly written video player that doesnt even support html 5 in 2018. no, not everyone can or want to use VRV.


I swear Crunchyroll is updating this website to HTTPS (and updating the flash player to HTML5 by the way) since the end of this month, or else Google Chrome 68 Web browser will block it.


I will still be very hard to watch crunchyroll in my TV and couch.

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Posted 7/6/18 , edited 7/15/18
*sigh* And I just re-subbed at the end of last month because I was redoing my media center on a raspberry pi and wanted to stream crunchyroll to it. Had even considered not re-subbing due to the Kerfuffle with them censoring that game (don't remember its name)... now after I decided I would give them a pass on it, they kill the main reason I was subbing in the first place!

Well. Back to my original plan of buying all the Blu-Ray of everything and just watching from whatever site to decide if I want it or not. If crunchyroll had come out with an "Official" plugin, or (IMO what they should have done) was give the author the OK as long as it required a paid account for someone to use it. Would have made them more money to not be jerks.

Will not be subscribing in future.

EDIT: Just thought I would mention. This annoyed me enough for me to make my first ever forum post after like 5 years of using the site.
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Posted 7/6/18 , edited 7/6/18
Main reason for paying was the plugin. Never giving you money again CR!
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Posted 7/15/18 , edited 7/15/18

namealreadytaken wrote:

it's reassuring to see Crunchyroll caring about its paying customers by not fixing their apps in years, and by DMCA'ing an app extension that actually worked.


This, +1.

What idiot at CR thought this was a good idea? -_-#
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Posted 7/16/18 , edited 7/21/18
Ok ok ok. to play devils advocate here.

Was this plugin endorsed or made by CR?

Yes? Then that's kind of weird...

No? Then they have EVERY RIGHT to DMCA it-_-

"B-But paying subscribers....."

No, sadly that's not how it works. Even if it requires a paid subscription to use, the sole fact that it isn't something MADE BY CR THEMSELVES OR OFFICIALLY ENDORSED...makes whatever excuses you guys have null and void.

It wasn't made by them, they have every right to do with their PRODUCT/SERVICE as they see fit.
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Posted 7/17/18 , edited 7/21/18

HopexLight wrote:
No, sadly that's not how it works. Even if it requires a paid subscription to use, the sole fact that it isn't something MADE BY CR THEMSELVES OR OFFICIALLY ENDORSED...makes whatever excuses you guys have null and void.

It wasn't made by them, they have every right to do with their PRODUCT/SERVICE as they see fit.


It appears that this is one of the things that many people are overlooking in their comments on this thread.
Seeing as it was a third-party, unsupported plug-in for Crunchyroll, they had every right to issue a DMCA request to take it down.
Does this mean that they are required to supply an alternative?
No. No, it does not.
When you create a third-party plug-in or app, you should always maintain a solid relationship with the company that owns the content that you are supplying to your users.
In this case, Crunchyroll likely did not have a stable relationship with the developer and it was determined that they had to issue a DMCA take-down request in order to protect their copyrighted source code, identity, and content.

Should Crunchyroll provide an alternative solution?
Absolutely!
Does sending a DMCA take-down request create an obligation to their paid subscribers to do so?
Absolutely not!
Was it necessary for Crunchyroll to send a DMCA take-down request to have Github remove the third-party plug-in?
Very likely. Even though copyrights do not need to be defended as heavily as trademarks (not defending a trademark can actually lead you to lose it!), it is still necessary to stay on the ball to avoid any confusion with your customers and/or brand identity concerns.
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Posted 7/21/18 , edited 7/21/18
The CR apologists on this thread should reconsider their support for the abuse of the DMCA takedown process.

The plugin may be considered a "circumvention device", but the notice invokes this only in a very woolly manner, and it is unclear whether circumvention devices themselves are subject to the takedown regime. It also makes claims regarding "reverse engineering", which in this case may or may not be subject to the 17 USC section 1201 exceptions.

Whatever the case with regard to the above (which probably cannot be trivially decided), the primary claim appears to be that "The works in question is copyrighted source code developed by CrunchyRoll Inc." Yet the notice also claims that they were the product of "reverse engineering" or in other words, actually not "source code developed by CrunchyRoll Inc." A cursory inspection of the files in question also gives little support for these being such "copyrighted source code" unless "CrunchyRoll Inc" actually developed a Kodi plugin which the author copied from them.

The notice appears to be a deliberate misrepresentation as defined in 17 USC 512(f). If CR wanted the plugin taken down, they had both actual legal as well as informal avenues, yet they chose the actively illegal one.
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Posted 7/30/18 , edited 7/30/18
Looks like they finally killed "support" for the Kodi app, I only get a "Login failed: check username/password" error now..., on both version 2.4.1, 2.2.3 and 2.2.2. It was working yesterday too :/

Does anyone else that has a version that still works?
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Posted 7/30/18 , edited 7/30/18

redfiche wrote:
The CR apologists on this thread should reconsider their support for the abuse of the DMCA takedown process.


Actually...



(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particular portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying and analyzing those elements of the program that are necessary to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and that have not previously been readily available to the person engaging in the circumvention, to the extent any such acts of identification and analysis do not constitute infringement under this title.
(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsections (a)(2) and (b), a person may develop and employ technological means to circumvent a technological measure, or to circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure, in order to enable the identification and analysis under paragraph (1), or for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, if such means are necessary to achieve such interoperability, to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title.
(3) The information acquired through the acts permitted under paragraph (1), and the means permitted under paragraph (2), may be made available to others if the person referred to in paragraph (1) or (2), as the case may be, provides such information or means solely for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title or violate applicable law other than this section.
(4) For purposes of this subsection, the term “interoperability” means the ability of computer programs to exchange information, and of such programs mutually to use the information which has been exchanged.


In the case of the KODI plugin, it appears that interoperability is the core line of logic that comes into play here.
The KODI plugin did, within the legal confines of the definition, reverse engineered Crunchyroll's source code in order to maintain interoperability with KODI.
The developer of the KODI plugin did not have the legal right to use or create a circumventive measure to ensure interoperability between Crunchyroll and KODI.
If he had done so without utilizing any of Crunchyroll's source code, he probably could have left it up and the DMCA claim would have been rejected.

I would suggest that you review more of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act before making such a claim, or have a better understanding of what it implies.
"Circumvention device" was not the core component of the take-down request, as it was more so the reverse engineering of copyrighted source code in order to maintain inoperability with KODI.
Apologist or not, it was within Crunchyroll's legal right to submit this DMCA and the process performed within the expected confines of the law.
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Posted 7/30/18 , edited 7/30/18
was Crunchyroll legally allowed to take down the plug in? yes.
was taking down without offering an alternative solution an a__ho_e move from Crunchyroll? also yes.
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